|.357 Remington Maximum Loaded Ammo.
158 gr. Remington hollow point, nickel plated Remington brass case.
2,025 fps rifle barrel velocity.
Call Ingrid Conkel at 970 209 1702
|Starline is now making .357 Rem. Maximum brass and keeps it in stock!
Click on the link below to order direct from Starline.
|Click Here to order Starline .357 Rem. Maximum brass!|
|Notes about .357 Remington Maximum brass and ammo:
Jamison/Captech has until recently been the only source of .357 Remington Maximum brass until Remington does another production run of Max. brass.
As of 11-29-2016 Jamison/Captech is still out of .357 Maximum brass.
Older production Jamison brass was prone to splitting on the first firing, so beware of older stocks of this brass.
The most recent Jamison brass is more expensive and not as hard as Remington brass when it is in normal supply. However, reports are that it is ok and not splitting. One report states it is of much more consistent weight than Remington. For now, Jamison brass is available and working out very well.
Many of the commercial loading companies supply .357 Remington Maximum loaded ammo. For hunting purposes, the best revolver type bullets are the Hornady XTP bullets. If using the 158 gr. XTP, choose the hollow point for version for handgun use and moderate velocity rifle loads.
When loading 158 gr. XTP hollow point bullets for rifle barrels stick with published loads in the various reloading manuals. This is to help avoid bullets potentially breaking up on body shots at close ranges.
For top velocities with 158 gr. XTP bullets, choose the flat nose version which is a bit slower to open up, thus a bit less prone to breaking up.
180 gr. XTP bullets are very well proven in 10" handgun barrels on through rifle length barrels.
180 gr. XTP bullets, the 140 gr. Flex Tip, and Lehigh Defense 140 gr. solid bullets can be loaded to full maximum velocities in rifle barrels for hunting purposes.
Custom partition bullets such as Swift, soft copper jacket & core types like Hawk, Lehigh Defense 140 gr., Barnes 140 gr. hollow point revolver bullets, and Henson bullets can all be run full speed and hold together on game.
The Barnes 140 gr. revolver bullet run full speed will shed its petals at the nose but retain about 65% of its weight for penetration.
Speer's Deep Curl bullets are a hunting bullet and should be ok, but at this writing, I have no confirmation about their reliability on game.
180 gr. Speer flat tip bullets may or may not give good expansion even at rifle velocities, according to some reports. Others claim it is a good game bullet.
Best advice is to run it full speed from rifle length barrels only.
("Full speed" is roughly at least 10% over published reloading manual data. Most all reloading manuals top out at about a pitiful 40,000 psi. You can run the Max. at the same 50,000 psi + levels as 5.56 Nato/.223 Remington.
I take loads to the point magnum RILFE primers begin to crater a little, then back off to just below that point. Cautious about experimenting? Use AA-1680. You cannot go over pressure with it on one hand, and on the other it produces top velocities with the heavier bullet weights and excellent accuracy.)
Be aware that nearly all other brands of .357 revolver type bullets have thin, somewhat brittle jackets and lead cores a little on the hard side. These tend to break up and not penetrate at impact velocities above about 1800 fps. If shots are long enough that the velocity has dropped to this level, they should perform ok on game. But when impacting faster than this on close shots, shoulder and angling shots should be avoided.
The .357 Max. is a natural for cast lead bullets. Use 180 to 200 gr. gas checked bullets with a wide flat nose. Maximum velocity will be about 2,000 fps before bore leading is a problem. Wide flat nose cast "flying beer keg" bullets are said to kill as well as appropriate jacketed bullets.
In summary, be conscious of both the characteristics of the bullets you hunt with and the potential impact velocity to avoid losing game to a bullet that breaks up and does not penetrate adequately for clean kills.
Use a good quality hunting bullet, and you will find the .357 Maximum an accurate deer and hog harvesting machine!
|Please note that we have been waiting since last fall for the next run of Henson bullets that as of 3-8-2017 have not been completed yet.
I now have the first 1,000 bullets made to similar specs from by Hawk.
|Hawk .358" 180 gr. bullets. Click Here!|
|Henson .358" 180 gr. hollow point bullets.
Last run sold out quickly. Next run not forecasted yet.
|Henson 180 gr. hollow point .357 Maximum:|
Overall Cartridge Length 2.225".
|To order bullets only, scroll down this section, just above the Cast Performance bullets.|
|For loaded ammo, Colorado Custom Cartridges, click here.|
Colorado Custom Cartridges will load the Henson 180 gr. bullets in your brass or theirs, as available, in .357 Maximum, .357 Magnum, and the variety of other .35 cal. rounds listed below.
|The Perfect .35 cal. bullet for use in BOTH handgun and rifle length .357 Maximum barrels!
|........ as well as a host of other .35 cal. applications to include:
.357 Magnum handgun "forcing cone" barrels when bullets are seated out and loaded to .357 Maximum revolver spec levels,
.357 Magnum rifle barrels,
.35 Remington, handgun or rifle,
.358 Bellm and .358 JDJ, and
even .358/.356 Win. and .35 Whelen at full throttle.
And, ooops, I had overlooked the .358 Hoosier shooters!
The "perfect" .35 cal. 180 gr. bullet?
This is as close as it gets, R.G. Henson has done it, and I have it!
Cannelure is 3/16" from the base to maximize case capacity in .357 Magnum and .357 Maximum cases.
See the ordering instructions at the bottom of this section.
Expansion at 2,500 fps, left, 1,200 fps right:
Our 180 gr. Henson bullet holds together past the maximum 2,400 fps velocity normally attainable with 180 gr. bullets in .357 Maximum, yet gives an ample frontal area expansion all the way down to 1,200 fps!
|More expansion test results:|
Henson 180 gr. shot at 2475 fps in ballistic gel, left, 1750 fps, right.
|Henson 180 gr. at 2400 fps in ballistic gel with a quarter for comparison.|
|Now, how's that for performance across the board!
Handgun or rifle, moderate speed or going full speed plus!
|How do these Henson bullets shoot?|
|These are 2 separate one hole groups at 100 yards,
In "S.J.'s" words:
I finally got around to trying out some Henson bullets. The two groups are 6 shots on the right and 3 more on the left after tweaking my scope a bit. 100 yards with a 14 inch MGM barrel with your chamber work. I'm very pleased your work and the bullets you recommended.
|Target below is from a TC FACTORY 10" barrel with the toilet bowl/forcing cone chamber, no less!|
RG had 6 bullets left over from the last run & ran 4 of 'em out of a 10" TC factory barrel.
Earlier attempts to optimize a bullet for the forcing cone chambers did not pan out, but my guess is with the gentle taper on the longish nose to more closely match the taper in the forcing cone, AND, a shorter shank to wiggle around in the cone for less distortion of the shank, it raises the question:
DID WE STUMBLE ONTO A BETTER BULLET FOR THE FORCING CONE CHAMBERS?
The long taper on the Henson bullet nose more closely matches the taper in the forcing cone chambers while leaving only a very short bullet shank wobbling around in the cone..... meaning, less distortion of the shank of the bullet, and better centering of the bullet with the bore. Plus, the thick jacket in the shank area is less susceptible to distortion compared to thin jacketed common revolver bullets.
|180 gr. is the optimum bullet weight for .357 Maximum, but at present, 180 gr. bullets for .357 Maximum and other rounds with similar ballistics have simply become unavailable.
Remington, Hornady, and Speer were the main sources. All have dropped the ball in general for smaller niche markets like .357 Max. hunters in favor of higher volume products.
We can't blame them for following the economics of the market. That's life.
Remington has not made their excellent 180 gr. hollow point for a number of years.
Hornady has discontinued their 180 gr. Single Shot Pistol bullet, and has "suspended production" of their 180 gr. XTP which has also been a proven performer in the Max. at rifle speeds. "Suspended production" means they have not discontinued it but may not make it again for who knows how long.
Speer's 180 gr. flat tip bullet is not being produced.
Each of these commercially produced 180 gr. bullets is designed such that they are best suited at EITHER handgun velocities OR rifle velocities and do a fair job at both extremes, depending on the remaining velocity at the target. The problem is that none do a perfect job at all velocities. No expansion may mean game lost, while bullet "blow up" may not give enough penetration for a clean kill.
The Speer flat tip and Hornady Single Shot Pistol bullets are "too tough" to expand at the remaining velocities from 10"-12" handgun barrels past roughly 100 yards, but hold together at maximum rifle barrel velocities close in while expansion can usually be expected ok out to around 200 yards.
The Hornady XTP 180 gr. expands beautifully from 10" barrels on deer out to the normal distances game is taken with 10" barrels while holding together pretty well on closer shots from rifle length barrels. But for long range shots, its "flying beer keg" profile also means more drop than from the pointed bullets.
Because of the wide extremes .357 Maximum is used for hunting, instead of producing just another 180 gr. bullet, we set out to produce THE bullet for ALL hunting applications, handgun or rifle, close shots or shots at the extreme distances the Max. is capable of, moderate velocity or extreme velocity..... and then some.... making this bullet a prime choice for a number of rounds with ballistics similar to .357 Maximum.
Based on R.G.'s expansion tests, I'd be prone to test driving his 180 gr. bullet in .358 Win./.356 Win. and .35 Whelen.
|Enter custom bullet maker, R.G. Henson to the rescue!
R.G. and I put our heads together, defined the parameters especially for Max. shooters, and R.G. made it happen!
Here's what R.G. came up with:
Expansion all the way down to 1200 fps!
Quarter size mushroom at 2400 fps and holding together all the way up to 2500 fps!
(tested in ballistics gel)
6s nose profile the same as Nosler's Accubond bullet for better trajectory at longer ranges.
How R.G. did it:
1) R.G. designs and draws his own jackets from PURE SOFT copper on Corbin hydraulic machines. PURE SOFT copper is far less brittle and prone to breaking up than commercial bullet jackets and expands more readily.
2) He made the jacket thicker in the shank of the bullet to maintain penetration without breaking up at higher velocities on close shots, but tapered the soft copper jacket area in the nose for expansion all the way down to essentially .357 MAGnum revolver velocites!
3) The pure lead core tends to "ball up" into a nice mushroom instead of breaking up, what appears to be the real virtue of the out of production Remington bullets loaded in the ammo at the top of this page.
In contrast, the majority of .357 Magnum type revolver bullets commercially available have thinner jackets, more brittle jackets, and somewhat harder lead cores with the result they break up, fragment, instead of retaining their integrity and weight for penetration at speeds over about 2,000 fps at the muzzle, which is way below the speed potentials of the Max.
|Premium 180 gr. custom hunting bullets,
optimum hunting weight for .357 Rem. Maximum,
tailored especially for .357 Rem. Max., .358 Herrett, .35 Remington, .358 JDJ, and similar rounds with the crimp cannelure in the right place for maximum case capacity for the slower burning powders that generally give the most velocity.
Ballistic Coefficient .233 at 1750 fps.
NOT RECOMMENDED FOR TWIST RATES SLOWER THAN 1-18. May not stabilize in some 1-18 twist barrels and not likely to stabilize in 1-20 twist barrels. All TC and most custom .35 cal. TC barrels are 1-14 twist which has proven itself well, but faster than optimum. H&R barrels I have checked are 1-16 twist. The 2016 batch of barrels I sold were 1-16 twist, optimized for all weights of bullets normally used in .357 Max. and similar barrels.
I also recommend the 1-14 twist barrels from www.matchgrademachine.com
Intended for break open guns but may be used in other types where overall cartridge length limits are workable.
|IF you are shooting common 158 gr. .357 Magnum type revolver bullets, here is probably a good point for some guidelines.
Feedback from .357 Max. deer hunters indicate you do not HAVE to use 180 gr. bullets for deer sized game by any means, but the point is for you to be aware of what to expect from any given bullet type under the conditions YOU hunt..... then wisely tailor your ammo and and approach for how you hunt.
Don't assume that just because a bullet looks good or is made by your favorite manufacturer means it will do what you need it to do for how you use it!
As most of you are aware, you want a wide expanded frontal area being shoved through game with as much weight behind it as possible. This is lost once a bullet breaks apart with the result there may not be enough penetration for a good kill.
Most .357 Magnum revolver bullets are ok on deer in the Max. IF you keep the muzzle velocity around 2,000 fps or less, depending on the construction of a given bullet design. But if you are cranking them up to 2,500 fps or more at the muzzle and pop a deer in the shoulder close up, there is a good chance only bullet fragments will make it into the lungs!
If running 158 gr. revolver bullets full speed from a rifle barrel, and the shot is close up and personal, pick your shot if you can..... in a soft or critical spot and not an angling body shot. For a body shot, you can't beat that little flank behind the front leg, even if in my opinion you trash one of the best eating parts of a deer, the heart.
Front on, go for center of chest. I've never been a head shooter, but close up, if you know the actual trajectory and are up to it, go for the head. Neck shots? Fine if you hit the spine, but I once helped trail a nice mule deer buck shot through the jugular with a 7mm Rem. Mag. that just poked a small hole that closed up, left very little blood trail, and the next day was found miles away spoiled. .35 cal. will ventilate the jugular better of course IF it is a solid hit. Are you feeling lucky?
Bottom line: It is fine to run thin jacketed 158 gr. revolver bullets full speed, up to about 2,600 fps potentially, IF you use some thinking about what you are doing and take the shot accordingly. Keep body shots at least 150 yards away as a quick guesstimate, or pick a soft or critical spot closer in.
Refer to ballistics tables to see at what range velocity has dropped to about 1,600 fps, which for most revolver bullets should be ABOUT the upper impact velocity for most revolver type bullets with the exceptions of the Remington and Hornady XTP 158 gr. bullets known to hold together well.
The above are only general guidelines that will vary with various bullets and conditions..... not cast in stone.
|My view of things:
There are a lot of cheaper bullets for general shooting, but for the real deal bringing home game, the few bucks extra for the best bullet for the job is the way to go. Odds are you are one who probably blows a lot more money every day on trivial things, then leaves yourself short changed when fur is in the scope.
Fur in the scope, hammer cocked, that is not the time to wonder what the bullet will do!
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Speaking of tips, bullet tips, you can load the Henson bullets with a flat nose seat stem ok.
However, if your seating die will accept the seat stem for pointed bullets, such as found in .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, and similar other dies made for pointed bullets..... swap seat stems for the pointed bullets for best concentricity of your loaded rounds.
|Hardened Cast Performance 180 gr. .357" diameter bullets.
Many lead shooters claim the wide flat nose of these clean shooting bullets kill as well or better than jacketed bullets.
Excellent quality, gas checked hunting bullets. I am using these for test firing barrels and find virtually no trace of leading run at extreme maximum pressure.
Seat to crimp groove or for more powder capacity, crimp in the top lube groove.
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|Have these bullets custom loaded for you. Click Here!|
This link takes you to Colorado Custom Cartridges who will custom load .357 Maximum to maximum performance levels, your brass or theirs, bullets bought from us, bullets you supply, or bullets they supply.
|See Bullets.com for deals on .35 cal. bullets, Click Here!|
Bullets.com has good prices and a wide variety of .35 cal. bullets, mostly for lower velocity, general use. At this writing 1-14-2015 they only have one hunting bullet listed, the Speer Deep Curl 158 gr. bullets.
|See Lehigh Defense for premium solid game bullets! Click Here!|
Machined solid copper 140 gr. game bullets with a unique design. Be sure to read their description of the bullet!
Well constructed 140 gr. bullets permit higher velocities and adequate penetration on deer. Unlike Barnes 140 gr. handgun bullets that will shed the petals when driven at rifle velocities, the Lehigh bullet will stay intact.
The faster you run these bullets, the better they work! Drive 'em hard!
|Instead of expanding, the X stays intact, and fluid pressure at the nose is compressed and directed out the side of the nose with as much or more force than from typical expanding bullets.
Quite a unique concept!
NO bullet weight is lost so full momentum of the bullet is maintained for deeper penetration, yet it makes a larger wound channel!
The three grooves around the bullet let you choose where you crimp the case for optimum seating depth and loading density for the powder you are using.
You are probably scratching your head like I was at first, wondering how on earth this thing works. But view the ballistic gel videos on Lehigh's site.
Key point is that the wider part of the groove at the nose collects tissue. As the tissue is forced down the side of the nose to the narrower part of the groove, it is funneled and compressed, greatly increasing the force out the side with devastating effects on tissue.
Think of it this way. Hydraulic shock is what destroys tissue and thus kills.
The funnel effect simply multiplies that shock and focuses it to create 4 wound channels like a huge 4 blade broadhead arrow, thus creating a larger wound channel, bigger than a soft point bullet makes.... but....because the frontal area stays the same, ALL of the bullet weight behind that frontal area makes it penetrate deeper than a soft point bullet.
The solid nose remains unaffected by bone.
Likewise, I can see that since the nose cannot deform like a typical expanding bullet meant to deform, it should be less effected by twigs/brush in the line of fire with game.
At about 80 cents a pop, it is not a cheap bullet, but when the crosshairs are on game, who is thinking about 80 cents?
A little post script here..... I recently reread an old article written by Bob Milek from 1983 telling of his field trials with .357 Herrett before it was adopted by TC. His tests on game included bull elk with a 10" .357 Herrett, for which he chose a 140 gr. bullet but went on to describe how it did not penetrate the shoulder to get into the lungs. Rather, several shots into the shoulder just mushroomed in the shoulder. I dare say the Lehigh solid 140 gr. probably would have done the job. Just a thought.
|.357 Rem. Maximum BARRELS, below:|
|Looking for a .357 Max. handgun barrel for a TC Contender/G2?
TC factory .357 MAGnum 12" blued G2 & Contender barrels to shoot as MAGnum or rechamber to MAXimum for $95 more, ppd. Call Kurt, 970 433 9525. Supply has been sparse, but he has a quantity available.
Click the link below to go to our TC barrels page to order directly online:
|TC factory made barrels, Click Here!|
Choose the "Purchase Order" option when you check out and put a note in your order if you want me to rechamber it, then call Kurt at 970 433 9525 to make payment arrangements.
|.357 Remington Maximum (OR .357 MAGnum if you prefer) Encore and Contender/G2 rifle and handgun barrels via Match Grade Machine.
Match Grade Machine has a good inventory of 1-10, 1-14, and 1-20 twist blanks, both blued and stainless in 1-14 and 1-20 twist, both Encore and Contender/G2.
Call 435 628 0071 to check inventory or to start your custom barrel build with the option for MGM to chamber the barrel or simply ask them to hand it off to me to chamber for $80 more, paid directly to me.
Ref. the special 1-10 twist blanks:
1-10 twist available for subsonic shooters.
These are "blued steel" blanks.
One of these blanks was used for a prototype barrel for another gun. First 5 shots fired for group shot .530" center-to-center, 100 yards!
Other work I do to MGM barrels:
Weaver base installed 6-screw, front tip anchored $59
EGW picatinny rail installed 6-screw, fron tip anchored $79
Machined in muzzle brake $185 (only done 2-3 times per year in batches)
Call me at 541 956 6938 or email me at firstname.lastname@example.org
Note that I can chamber for .357 MAGnum with the same throating to permit seating bullets out and creating enough powder capacity for standard published revolver .357 Maximum loads in the MAGnum case.
This does not reach the full potential of the .357 Maximum, but gives loads plenty potent for deer without issues over brass availability.
Though 20" is pretty much the optimum length for .357 Rem. Maximum, Match Grade Machine will make any length you want, up to 27". 27" is not needed, but will tend to be a bit easier on the ears.
|Match Grade Machine for custom barrels. Click here!|
If you want my chamber work, I will chamber their unchambered .35 cal. barrel to .357 Magnum or .357 Maximum for $80, in addition to their price.
Or, I also rechamber their stock .357 Magnum barrels to .357 Maximum, same $80. Just order the Mag barrel from MGM and ask them to hand it off to me to rechamber.
MGM does excellent chamber work and uses a proper cylindrical throat. Why pay extra for me to chamber the barrel?
I take the time to dial in the bore, throat separately, hold the throat diameters to closer tolerances, and configure the throat to accommodate all bullet types..... cast lead, .358" jacketed, and .357" jacketed.
Will you be able to find the difference in accuracy between MGM's chamber and mine on paper?
Maybe, if you are a really serious shooter.
If not, save your money and go with MGM's chamber.
For a great shooting barrel at a good price, use their chamber work. If you are more concerned about accuracy and versatility, consider having me do the chamber.
When you order your barrel made however you want from MGM, just specify "No Chamber" and to "Hand it off to Mike." Done deal. I bill you $80 for my chamber work, .357 Magnum and .357 Rem. Maximum only.
Other chambers, $100.
|Previous batches of .357 Max. barrels I offered were made from 1-16 twist 5R rifling form blanks I made on P.O. Ackley's barrel machinery.
(Starting in 1979, I manufactured barrel blanks on P.O. Ackley's machinery for about 10 years.)
|Few are aware that after World War II when button rifling was first developed by Remington, P. O. Ackley was right behind G.R. Douglas being the first to button rifle barrels outside of a manufacturer.
In the 10 years before P.O. passed away, August 23, 1989, that I had P.O. as my mentor, I never asked if the barrel machine I got were the first machines he made or not, but regardless, you are looking at a real piece of firearms history that helped revolutionize the firearms trade.
Mike Bellm enjoying the nostalgia of setting up the gundrill machine that drills the hole through the solid bar of steel prior to reaming and rifling.
Square box by my left hand is the "chip box" where drill chips are flushed out under about 800 psi of oil pressure back along the V groove on the bottom side of the drill shaft, that small, long tube passed through the chip box. A cap goes over the top of the chip box. Chips and oil drop out the bottom of the box into a large tank that drains into sediment tanks and strainers below.
The bar of steel, NOT present, spins at about 4,000 rpm while the drill is driven into the solid bar of steel at about 2" per minute.
Machine behind me is the reaming machine where the undersize hole in the bar is reamed up to final bore size.
The stainless steel bar stock being used is 416R from a German supplier of gun barrel steel.
|I am the "seasoned one" standing behind the button rifling machine, built by P.O. Ackley back in the early 1950's after he left the gunsmithing school he started in Trinidad, Colorado shortly after World War II.
The school did not want to finance development of button rifling, so about 1951 P.O. moved to Salt Lake City where he and Andy Easton developed it.
The steel plates lined up in the foreground guide and support the hardened tool steel rod that drives the button through the reamed bar of steel. The bar of steel is held in a fixture to my right, outside the photo.
The .22 cal. barrel blanks behind us on the shelf are ones we had just button rifled.
|For what it is worth.........|
Of the current custom TC barrel makers, only David Van Horn, one of the very first to make custom Contender barrels, makes his own barrel blanks starting from 20 foot long bars of solid steel.
Everyone else who makes custom TC barrels buys blanks already drilled, reamed, and rifled from a production barrel blank manufacturer such as Shilen, Douglas, Green Mountain, Wilson Arms, E.R. Shaw, etc.
David Van Horn and I are the only ones I am aware of that have this level of barrel making experience connected with TC barrels, and I am the only one in the TC biz who had P.O. Ackley as his personal mentor for the last 10 years of his life, ending August 23, 1989. David's barrel blank manufacturing also traces back to P.O. Ackley.
Don Casull, Dick Casull's brother (formerly with Freedom Arms), lived just blocks away from P.O. Ackley and did make barrel blanks for a few years in the late 1980's, early 1990's. Dick Casull's major firearms designs such as the .454 Casull revolvers, his .22 LR mini-revolvers, and his full auto .22 LR guns were developed while Dick was working for P.O. Ackley in Salt Lake City.
The two Utah based custom TC barrel makers, Bullberry and MGM, originally got their start due to association with me. The very first dozen Contender barrels I made were for Bullberry who shortly thereafter started making Contender barrels on his own.
The Stratton family worked for Bullberry. About 2000 the Strattons left Bullberry and started Virgin Valley Custom Guns which later became Match Grade Machine. Jeff and Kerry Stratton have left the trade. Their father, Steve, still sells scope bases, hammer extensions, Encore centerfire-to-rimfire adaptors, forend bedding bars, and other TC accessories.
You might say I have been around the block a time or two in the last 38 years.
|.357 Rem. Max. Contender barrels. Click Here for MGM barrels|
|This is the way to build a 10" MGM Contender barrel!
....357 Maximum or any suitable cartridge.
Untapered and with 2 forend screw dovetails........
|The short length of fluting is at nominal cost.|
.....though most of my customers opt for more scope base screws and no over hang of the scope base. The MGM base is steel and does not flex like aluminum bases do.
The untapered profile cuts recoil and muzzle flip, and the gun balances great. It gives just enough forward weight for a good hold when shooting without a rest.
|Or, if you want to get a bit more exotic:|
My two bits worth & recommendation for barrel length:
To me no Contender carbine handles right with anything over 20" of barrel length. I'd recommend 20" with no taper on the Contender platform, 16 to 18" if you want a more compact gun with very effective ballistics.
.357 Rem. Maximum is extremely efficient in shorter barrels with its small volume of relatively fast powder in a largish bore size.
Tip: Be sure to let MGM know what forend you intend to use. There are two different Contender forend hole spacings. I recommend the current "G2" carbine barrel untapered profile, which uses the longer carbine hole spacing. Handgun forends take the shorter hole spacing.
If you have one of the older Contenders with the tapered 16" or tapered 21" barrel, its forend has a smaller barrel channel and will not fit the untapered "G2" style barrels UNLESS the barrel channel is opened up for it.
I do NOT recommend a tapered barrel for .35 cal. and larger bore sizes!
Stick with the heavier untapered barrel!
Note also: If you have a .45/70 untapered "Super 16" Contender barrel with TC factory muzzle brake and forend, it takes the shorter hole spacing. All other Super-16 barrels take the longer forend spacing. Why the difference for .45/70 among the Super-16 barrels, only the mind of TC knows.